Spanish Non-Lucrative Visa Renewal

Spain can get under your skin. In the course of living here for the full first year of our non-lucrative visa, we’ve come to love our home, our city, Spanish food and culture, and most of all, the close friends we have made in our adopted city of Granada. So, when the time came to either start arranging for our journey home or to dive into the Spanish non-lucrative visa renewal requirements, there was really only one option– put on our big-boy-and-girl pants, phone up the sworn translator, print out a bunch of Modelo 790 Codigo 52 forms, and get to work extending our stay in España.

The Patio de los Leones at Granada’s enchanting La Alhambra.

Spoiler alert: we still live here, so we were successful… but it wasn’t exactly straightforward, either. Since it’s been about– oh, five months since we went through our Spanish non-lucrative visa renewal, I figured it was high time I documented the process to give others a hand in navigating a procedure that isn’t necessarily as difficult as the initial visa application, but is in some ways far more opaque.

You can submit your application for visa renewal any time between 60 days before the expiration of your current visa, and 90 days after.

Gathering Our Documents (and Important Links)

As with obtaining the visa in the first place and applying for a Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero (TIE), let’s find the authoritative source of requirements for this process and discuss each document.

The one and only official list of Spanish non-lucrative visa renewal requirements is located on the web site of the Spanish Secretary of State of Migration. There is no official English version of these requirements, but hopefully you’ve been steadily improving your Spanish during the first year of your visa and can decipher them. If not, not to worry, because we’re going to demystify them now. I’ll briefly list the required documents, then discuss them in detail.

  1. One application form EX-01 for each member of your family, plus a copy.
  2. Original passport for all applicants, valid for a minimum of one year.
  3. A copy of all passport pages for all applicants from cover to cover.
  4. Accredited documentation of financial means covering the requested visa term. This means you’ll need to show savings, investments, or income totaling 400% of the Spanish minimum wage covering the entire two years of the renewal, plus an amount for each additional family member.
  5. Accredited documentation showing health insurance coverage. You don’t need to have a policy that’s pre-paid for the entire renewal term, but you will need to be current and show that you have maintained health insurance during your current visa term.
  6. If renewing for children of school age, a report from either their school or the local municipality showing that they have been satisfactorily enrolled in and attending school.
  7. A Modelo 790 Codigo 052 Tasa form, paid, for each member of the family. If you’ve been living in Spain, you’re familiar with this form. It’s the one-size-fits-all tax form for paying for government procedures, applications, and permits.
  8. This is an unusual one: if required, a positive report from the local autonomous community showing efforts at integration. This wasn’t something we were required to provide. I think it’s safe to say that you shouldn’t have become embroiled in any legal or civil troubles during your current visa term, as we have been told that the local extranjeria does have some sway when it comes to the renewal of non-lucrative visas. Be nice, and don’t get into trouble. Otherwise, unless specifically asked by your extranjeria for something, don’t worry about this requirement.

… and an unwritten requirement (in most cases): have a second (or third) copy of every single document. However many you think you need, have another one.

Required Documents in Detail

Application Form EX-01

Every member of your family must have their own application form EX-01, available from the immigration portal for download. This application form is analogous to the national visa application form when you applied for your visa.

You can fill this form out electronically, or you can fill it out in all-capital letters with a black pen. Only the first two pages are strictly necessary.

In Section 1, fill out all your name, address, and demographic information. If you don’t already know, Estado Civil has the following options: S, C, V, D, and Sp. They are: Soltero (Single), Casado (Married), Viudo (Widowed), Divorciado (Divorced), and Separado (Separated). As with prior, similar forms, you fill out representante legal, en su caso with your information on the application forms of any minor children. If you are the parent of a child attending school in Spain, then check si for Hijas/os a cargo en edad de escolarización en España. Otherwise, check no.

Do not fill out Section 2 unless you are utilizing a third party, such as a service or law firm, to submit your application for you (in which case you probably don’t need this article in the first place). Otherwise, leave the whole section blank.

In Section 3, again fill in the name of the primary applicant, their NIE, address, telephone number, and email. We used my information on all three application forms, as this section is for whom should be notified about the result of the non-lucrative visa renewal application. In our case, it’s easiest for me to receive all contact as my Spanish is strongest.

In Section 4, simply check “1a Renovación” and, just below it, “Titular de autorización de residencia no lucrativa previa Inicial/Renovada.”

Finally, sign, date, and put the location of signing on the bottom. You can use any date and location, it doesn’t have to be the specific date of submission of the packet. Just sign, date, and put the location for the moment you sign it.

We submitted the third page of the form, but we left them all blank.

Original Passport/Passport Copies

Officially, you need both your original passport, valid for at least one year from your visa application, and a full copy of every single page of your passport from cover to cover. Your passport will be used as one means of verifying that you have spent at least 183 days in Spain during the first year of your residency (and thus, that you are legally obliged to be filing taxes). When you go to your renewal appointment, have both the original passports and the full copies on hand. They will keep the copies and return your originals.

This is where your experience may diverge a bit from ours. In our province, they no longer give out appointments for non-lucrative visa renewal, so we ended up submitting our packets via mail. I’ll cover this more later. This meant that we sent only the full copies of every page. We did not send our original passports via mail! Please don’t send yours either. We also ended up needing two copies of our passports, because our visa renewal took long enough that we had to apply for a special dispensation to return to Spain after our visas expired.

Accredited Proof of Financial Means

Hello, old friend. By far the most confusing and unclear requirement of all visa applications and renewals in Spain is the requirement to prove that you either have in savings, or are earning on an ongoing basis, 400% of the Spanish minimum wage (IPREM) annually. Each family member also adds 100% of the IPREM amount to your financial requirements. In 2019, IPREM is 6,454.03 EUR. So, to calculate the required amount:

Head of Household: 6,454.03 x 4 (400% of IPREM) x 2 (two year renewal) = 51,632.24 EUR

Spouse/Child: 6,454.03 x 2 (two year renewal) = 12,908.06 EUR per member

For our family of three, this meant showing 77,448.36 EUR. or about $85,850.

Your savings do not need to be domiciled in a Spanish Bank. This means you can show recent bank and investment statements from your home country. We provided the following:

  • The most recent three months of pay stubs from my consulting business. These stubs were printed from PDF.
  • The most recent three months of our bank account statements. These were also printed from PDF. We were not required to submit any document produced by or certified by the bank.
  • The most recent quarterly statement from our retirement accounts. These were also printed from PDF. We were not required to submit any document produced by or certified by the bank.

All of our documents were submitted as color printouts, with the original translated copy and wet-ink signature from our translator. We held on to a copy of all translations as well.

I can’t tell you which of these items were of greatest value to us. I can tell you in general terms that we had about 90% of the required amount in cash, several times the required amount in investments, and pay stubs that amounted to substantially over the required amount over the course of a year.

Proof of Medical Insurance

In compliance with the terms of our visa, we kept our health insurance current throughout our first year. When the term ended, a couple of months before our renewal process, we paid for the next year, which meant we had about 9 months left on our paid term when we started the non-lucrative visa renewal. I contacted our insurance broker and was instructed to obtain the following:

  1. Refreshed policy documents showing the new term. These are effectively the same exact documents you used in applying for the original visa with new dates.
  2. A certificado de permanencia. This is a letter showing that you have been continuously covered by the policy since before/at your arrival date. If you have changed plans you may need to provide several of these. The goal is the show continuous and current health insurance coverage.
  3. A receipt for our last payment.

In our case, with a Sanitas Mas Salud plan, we emailed global@sanitas.es (in English is fine) and requested that these documents be sent to us via email. We had them within 24 hours, printed them, and submitted them. Because the documents are already in Spanish, they do not require translation.

Proof of School Enrollment

Our daughter is not yet in school, so we were not required to provide this document. If your children are enrolled in school, stop by the office and explain the situation. I am reasonably confident that any document officially showing enrollment of all minor children of school age will be fine.

M790 C052 Fees, Paid

As with most government procedures, you will need to fill out a Modelo 790 Codigo 052 form, take all three copies to any bank, and pay it. If you’ve gotten this far, you’ve already done this numerous times, so just head on over to the Ministry of Public Administration and fill out the form for each member of your family.

On the form, you should check the checkbox marked Renovación de autorización de residencia temporal. This means each form has a fee of 16.08 EUR as of August 2019. Everything else should be pretty self-explanatory.

Other Unrequested Documents

In addition to the above, we also submitted an original copy of our empadronamiento (we dropped by the ayuntamiento and asked for a new one, which was provided free of charge) and photocopies of both sides of our TIE cards. Though these weren’t explicitly required, we wanted to be overly cautious since we didn’t have the benefit of human interaction when submitting our non-lucrative visa renewal application.

Document Guidelines

  • Any document not in Spanish must be translated by a sworn translator.
  • All documents submitted must be originals (an exception is the passport, which is not kept, but for which they require a cover-to-cover copy).
  • If you obtain a renewal appointment, bring at least one copy of every document. Make at least two copies so that you have a copy at home.
  • None of our documents required an apostille.

The Cita That Wasn’t

Once I had all the documents together, I began to vigilantly check the government sede electrónica site, attempting daily to get an appointment for a visa renewal (RENOVACIÓN DE AUT.DE RESIDENCIA TEMPORAL NO LUCRATIVAS). Not only was I not able to get three appointments together or separately, I never even saw a single available renewal appointment!

After three weeks of attempting daily to get even a single appointment at the extranjeria and with our visa expiration date fast approaching, we dressed up nicely and went down to the foreigner’s office as a family hoping to sneak in, or at least get some direction.

We took a number for información, and when we were called, the woman who spoke with us told us that Granada province was no longer processing non-lucrative visa renewal applications in person. The one and only means of submitting them was via mail!

Since our renewal, we have engaged in some back-and-forth with other expats here in Granada who insist that it is possible to simply show up at the extranjeria in the morning with packet in hand and throw oneself on the mercy of the staff. That just wasn’t our experience. They insisted that we apply via mail.

I hope that everyone is able to find a means to have their packet processed by a human being in order to have some feedback, and to make any necessary corrections. Because we didn’t have that luxury, I want to document the alternative method of submitting your non-lucrative visa renewal packet.

The lady from the extranjeria gave us a sheet with the mailing address of the office and instructed us to go to any Correos (post office) to send the packet. She further instructed us to have each application form (EX-01) sellado, or stamped. Neither I nor my Spanish neighbors knew what they meant, so I headed down to the Correos to find out.

When I arrived, I took a number for información again, as I didn’t know which function of the post office provided the stamp I needed to prove it had been “officially” received. It was then that I met my nemesis, Spain’s Meanest Postal Employee (SMPE). She sneered at me and curtly told me that since I was sending, I should take a number for enviar. Well thanks, but I knew that! I was asking about getting the stamp done!

I dutifully took another number, this time for enviar. In short order I was called up to another mesa, where I started laying out the three application forms for stamping. The very kind postal employee explained that it would be best if I had a copy of each form, as he could then stamp both the original and the copy so that I could prove they had been sent. This seemed like a great idea to me, but I didn’t have another full copy of the forms with me (See what I mean? Make more copies.).

Another quick dash out to the copy shop, back to the Correos, another ticket for enviar, and… I was back before Spain’s Meanest Postal Employee (SMPE). I laid out the three applications, the three copies, and confidently asked for them all to be stamped, to purchase an envelope, and to send the full application packet across town to the extranjeria.

Dear readers, you would have thought that I had said that her grandmother had romantic intentions towards los toros. She immediately lit into me and said that she could and would only stamp a single document per envelope (and implying not-so-subtly that I was some sort of idiot for not knowing that). I explained that as we are a family, that some of the documents had my name on them, but pertained to the application for the whole family, and therefore they must arrive together. Over the course of the next twenty minutes, I was informed that I was one of “those” foreigners, that I wanted everyone in Spain to bow to my will, and that under no circumstances would she be able to stamp all three applications to prove they had been received.

I’m slightly ashamed to say that after 20 minutes of abuse, my Spanish took a curious nose dive. Suddenly, I couldn’t speak Spanish very well at all. By any chance was there someone who might be able to help me in English? Yeah, I played dumb. But it did get me in front of a very nice postal employee who helped me out with no trouble at all. He stamped all three original documents, all three copies, and sent them all off in a single envelope. For the record, the sello is just a date stamp with the Correos logo and the office location. There’s nothing special at all about it, and nothing that would have prevented SMPE from helping me. Some people are just like that.

Once more, and incredibly importantly: If you submit your renewal application via postal mail, do not send your original passport! Send one full copy of all of the pages from cover to cover. Do not make a mistake that might result in your passport becoming lost!

Needless to say, if you are able to get an appointment with your extranjeria, you should do so. The process will be the same, just show up with the same packet, clipped together grouped by individual. Just as with your first visa application, you don’t need a copy of all the financial documents for every family member, just one as a part of the larger packet. In our case it was the same with the health insurance documents.

Tracking Your Renewal

You can track the progress of your non-lucrative visa renewal on the sede electrónica page for that purpose. You enter your NIE number, the date of your appointment, and the year of your birth. If you submitted your packet via mail, it may take a few days for it to arrive in the extranjeria and be entered into the system. In our case, the applications were trackable first using the date they had arrived in the office, and then several days later we had to use the date stamped on them at the Correos.

A few things: If you come from a country, like the United States, that receives 90 days of visa-free entry into the Schengen Area, then you technically have 90 days following the date of your visa expiration to have successfully renewed. However, and this is a big however, you need to be careful about your travel out of the Schengen Zone in this case. If you leave the Schengen Zone, then re-enter and encounter an immigration official who does not understand that your 90 days as a tourist in the zone only begin following the expiration of your visa, you could run into trouble. Rest assured, though, that your days as a tourist run subsequent to residence permit days– not concurrent!

We had planned for travel right around the time of our renewal, and were re-entering the Schengen Zone in France. Because France had no idea that we had been residing for many months in Spain via a residence permit, it just looked to them like we were tourists who had overstayed, and were trying to re-enter Europe. We had our TIE cards on hard, and had the Schengen Borders Code pulled up on my phone for this quote:

Periods of stay authorised under a residence permit or a long-stay visa shall not be taken into account in the calculation of the duration of stay on the territory of the Member States.

This was enough to get us back in, and about six weeks after sending in our renewal paperwork, our status changed on the web site from En Tramite to Resuelto – Favorable. From the day of renewal, you have 30 days to return to the extranjeria and apply for a new TIE card. That process is exactly like the original TIE application in every way, except on the forms you will need to check the boxes for a renewal of TIE rather than an initial application.

I will expand this article with frequently asked questions and to further elaborate on some of the processes, but as there has been a huge recent uptick in renewal questions, I wanted to publish it and provide a forum for those needing assistance in the renewal process. Just like the initial application, the non-lucrative visa renewal isn’t a difficult process, it’s just a detail-oriented (and occasionally confusing) one.

How did your renewal go? Did you experience any curveballs? If you have a story to tell or questions to ask, let me know in the comments below.

129 thoughts on “Spanish Non-Lucrative Visa Renewal

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  2. (Dr.) Mark Doctoroff

    I am not really surprised at the complexity & “bureaucratic nature” of the Spanish/Grenada “Visa Renewal Process”. When we looked at many such processes, we found that Malaysia’s “Malaysia my Second Home” 10 year (renewable) visa was the very easiest, least bureaucratic and very best available!!! I have now used about 75% of the visa… and its “update”, in about 30 will also be very easy!!

    Many other such programmes in Asia have huge “problems”… as do those in the Caribbean…

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Perhaps so, but for a variety of reasons, Malaysia wouldn’t be appropriate for us at this time. This article is to help those that already possess non-lucrative visas for Spain and wish to renew them, not to compare the relative merits of visas or countries. I am glad you have found the place and visa that work for you, though!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      I don’t have an answer to this, though bear in mind that even if you pay someone to present your packet for you (and look over it), you will ultimately be the one having to gather the documents, which is 99% of the work here. Given how manageable the process is outside of that (and how several people in the past few year have mentioned the hired reps have actually hurt them through ignorance of the process and how it has changed), I personally would t ever hire anyone.

    2. Peggy

      Hello Pete,
      We hired a lawyer in Barcelona for our Non- Lucrative Visa it cost us 250.€ and was well worth it. Just getting the appointment is almost impossible because of Brexit, Also the LAX Spanish Consulate told us to bring all this stamped documents which were not required. If you can afford to have a lawyer it sure helps.

  3. Dan Flexy

    Hi,

    Great write-ups! Keep ’em up 😉

    Once you’re on non-lucrative residence, do you pay taxes in Spain? Or is it because you’re US citizen you have double-taxation which allows you to somehow pay zero in Spain on up to ~$100k?

    I wonder if by taking such residence, tax affairs should be moved to Spain. Assumingly yes, if it’s more than 183 days of residence. But I have a friend on this visa who thinks he can continue paying taxes in his country at a lower rate instead of in Spain. And I couldn’t see that in any documents which you supply for renewal there are any tax confirmations requested.

    If it’s possible to live in Spain on this visa and continue paying taxes at a lower jurisdiction – I think I am going to apply for it on Monday 😉

    Appreciate your thoughts.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      As a tax resident of Spain (anyone here more than 183 days per year, also a requirement for renewing your visa) you are obliged to file taxes in Spain. The US and Spain have a double-taxation treaty, but that just means that you won’t pay the same taxes twice– you still pay the difference to whichever is the higher tax jurisdiction.

      With that said, you should speak to someone familiar with both countries as there are ways to minimize or even eliminate the tax burden. The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and Spain’s exemption on the first 60K EUR on money earned for services performed abroad (where the definition of “performed abroad” is the relevant but open-to-interpretation phrase) may help. I religiously avoid giving tax advice here, other than to say that we have managed to seriously minimize taxation and if we could maintain this lifestyle for a few more years, we’d probably do better than returning to the US.

      1. James

        Hi there! Thank you so much for your articles. Your guides on how to apply for the NL visa is the reason that my partner and I have gotten ours.

        I am curious. Are you currently working remotely for an American company? Are you able to claim that 60k exemption in Spain?

        Also, I wonder if you can give some guidance on the difference between the residence of the principal applicant and the dependent spouse. My spouse and I applied together with me as the main applicant. However, we noticed that my spouse has an earlier NIE number and her Número de Expediente is also one number before mine. Does this mean that the consulate made a mistake and made her the principal applicant? Our concern is that come renewal time, since all the bank accounts we presented are under my name that it will be an issue. Also, my wife might not renew her Non Lucrative visa next year since she is planning to go to a PhD program in the UK while I remain in Spain. Will this mistake of her being the principal potentially have an issue since I’m the only one that is planning to renew?

        Again, thank you so much for all your help. You’ve changed the lives of so many people.

        1. The Vagabond Post author

          Hi James,

          For issues of taxation, the safest thing for me to do is to point you at a gestor in Spain with experience in these issues.

          To the best of my knowledge, TIE number order doesn’t have any bearing on who is the “primary” applicant. More critically, your renewal is judged almost as if it was a new application. You’ll provide a renewal packet for anyone renewing (you) and proof of your financial support. From the way you’ve described it, I can’t see why there would be any issues.

          1. Pablo

            Hi! I’ve asked many gestors already but they get very confused with the taxation issues when I say that I have a NL visa and work remotely. We can’t register as autonomos, so how can we pay taxes for our income? When I ask for the visa in my country, I was totally open regarding me working remotely.
            How could you solve the issue? Any recommendation on who to ask? I want to pay all the required taxes but I feel trapped in a bureaucracy loophole.

  4. Alex

    Hi, I am living in Barcelona and need to renew my non lucrative visa. I got this appointment: POLICIA-TOMA DE HUELLAS (EXPEDICIÓN DE TARJETA) Y RENOVACIÓN DE TARJETA DE LARGA DURACIÓN
    Do you think this will work for renewing non lucrative even if it technically isn’t “larga duración”? This seemed to be the closest option when I saw the different kinds of appointments they offered. Also my appointment is in Igualada which is really far but still in the province, assuming that’s okay. Thanks!!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      You can give it a try, but based on the lack of an option you may run into the same issue we did– that they aren’t accepting renewal appointments in person and expect you to submit your application by mail. It might be worth a call to the extranjeria if it’s really far.

      1. Alex

        Thanks! So I ended up mailing in the documents through a gestor for 100 euros and it was approved. I ended up using the cita I mentioned above in Igualada for applying for the new TIE card which consisted of fingerprints, bringing the favorable result, bringing the expired TIE card and passport, and paying another M790 fee. So I’m glad I kept the appointment.

        1. Robin Renteria

          Hi Alex, we’re in Barcelona with the same issues. We have an appointment in Igualada for Dec 17 and Dec 20 for my husband and I. A long haul. Can you tell me the name of the gestor you used? Did you get your results quickly? We’d love to do what you did. We sure don’t want to make multiple trips to Igualada. Thanks for the help.

          1. Alex

            Hi Robin, Okay so he was a lawyer his email is raphael@zimmerabogados.com at Zimmer Abogados. He will submit the paperwork for you and check everything over and then when you get a favorable result you still are going to have to use the Igualada appointment for the second step make sure it’s this type: POLICIA-TOMA DE HUELLAS (EXPEDICIÓN DE TARJETA) Y RENOVACIÓN DE TARJETA DE LARGA DURACIÓN

            Getting to igualada wasn’t as bad as I thought, about an hour on this bus which doesn’t come up as an option on google maps (get off at the second stop in Igualada)

            http://www.igualadina.com/pdfs/bcn_igu_ee.pdf

            Maybe it’s worth a shot to try to see if they will process both of you on the first appointment, you never know, but you may need to go twice. Good luck!!

  5. Robin Renteria

    Thank you so so much!!! I tried for 5 weeks to get an appointment, then sent an email to their help address (no help, they were only for technical website issues), then called the help telephone number 060 and was told to ‘just keep trying.’ Then got the appointments in Igualada for one month out. Whew. Then just happened on your comment. I’ll tell you how it works out. Your bus info is a huge help, too. We had figured it would take about 3 hours on mass transit and walking. You are a big light at the end of the tunnel. Two years ago, at our first renewal, I documented everything. Of course, now the process is very much changed. It is so worth the lawyer right now to get us done! All the best to you!

  6. Jason B

    Can you renew the non lucrative visa if you didn’t end up spending 183 days in the first year? (e.g., did more unexpected traveling around Europe or Asia here and there?)

    1. Jason B

      Sorry, one more question. If we went to Amsterdam for a week or Lisbon for a week, since it’s within the Schengen area, would that time count against the time spent in Spain since there was no customs or stamps in the passport given when entering / leaving these countries? Thanks so much!

      1. The Vagabond Post author

        If you spend 183+ days in the Schengen Zone, you wouldn’t have anything in your passport to suggest that you were anywhere but Spain, but remember that the entire purpose of this requirement is to make you a tax resident of Spain, and thus obliged to file an annual return. It would be unwise to engineer the appearance of having been in Spain for 183+ days to renew your visa only to trade it for a criminal or civil liability for not filing your taxes.

      1. Jason B

        Got it, thank you for your response! We will have residency for 183 days+ – the question is because we won’t hit the 183 days until about 45 days before our visa expires. So I’m assuming we would have to wait until 45 days before, not 60 days, to renew?

        Thank you again!

        1. The Vagabond Post author

          It’s probably perfectly fine to start your renewal process 60 days before, so long as you don’t have 183 or more days outside Spain showing in your passport. If it makes you feel better to wait the extra 15 days, that should be fine too as remember (assuming you are American/Canadian/Australian) you have up to 90 days AFTER your visas expire to have them renewed. Once you hit the end of your visa days, your days as a Schengen area tourist begin, and only when those run out are you officially obliged to be out of the country.

  7. Kelsey Strattford

    Hiya,

    Do I need a new empadronamiento for the 2 year renewal? Or is it just providing a copy of the original empadronamiento that I used to get my TIE once in Spain?

    Since I don’t work in Spain because we’re not allowed to, why do we have to pay taxes / do we? The Modelo 790 Codigo 052 Tasa form link doesn’t load for me saying it’s an unsecure connection so I can’t check out the document details but is this form primarily to just pay the 16.80 euro fee?

    Thank you!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      You don’t need a new empadronamiento per se (since an empadronamiento is the registration itself, not the certificate), but you do need a new certificate. The physical document is only valid for 90 days from issuance, so if you are in a province that requires an empadronamiento certificate at the TIE appointment, you’ll need to stop by your ayuntamiento and get them to print you out a new one. You shouldn’t need anything more than ID (your old TIE with address should work) to get it, though.

      Yes, if you are entitled to renew your visa by having been resident in Spain for 183 or more days, you are obliged to file your taxes. You are a fiscal resident of Spain in this case. Just because you’re not working doesn’t mean you don’t have income (from investments, pensions, etc.) and Spain wants to know about it (and tax it).

      The M790 C052 is indeed for paying the fee (and to provide physical proof that you have). You can override the browser’s insecure connection warning, though it will vary depending on your browser how you do so.

    2. Robin Renteria

      Hi. Make sure you use the below link for filling out the form. It is the one which fills out the form for you and gives you a bar code.
      Then print it out exactly as they show you to:
      single sided with multiple copies.
      The bank gives you one copy and it keeps one.

      https://sede.administracionespublicas.gob.es/pagina/index/directorio/tasa052

      You take this form to the bank to pay the fees before your appointment since they don’t take money at the Extranjeria.

      This 052 form proves that you have paid the 16.08 to submit your paperwork.
      The 012 forms proves that you have paid the 18.73 to submit your photo and fingerprints for processing and creating your new residency card.

      You pay taxes in the country where you received the income that you live on. And you always have to pay US taxes if you’re a US citizen. Even Social Security is taxable income. Spain doesn’t double tax you for that same income, but you have to show your income (including things like dividends) and that you have paid your taxes in the US. And it can get more complicated than this depending on your situation. We got a tax attorney in Barcelona and have a CPA in the US and both are worth every penny. And not expensive at all considering.

  8. Robin Renteria

    Hi, I just followed Alex’s advice of December 1st. We went to Raphael Zimmer ( raphael@zimmerabogados.com) at Zimmer Abogados to handle the submission of our paperwork. He was great! Spoke English. Didn’t charge much, was up on current changes in requirements, and we got our approval back within 5 days. Whew. Then we used our appointment in Igualada to submit our photos and fingerprints. What a relief!

  9. Tema Frank

    What if you want to spend more than 90 days but less than 183 in Spain? I get the impression that for the non-lucrative visa, you have to plan to be there for more than 183 days. (i.e. long enough to owe Spanish taxes?). We don’t want to give up our Canadian residency and health care, so we only want to spend about 5 months each year in Spain. Is that even do-able?

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      If you want to spend more than 90 but less than 183, you can get the visa for the first year, but it won’t be renewed. It’s also likely that, while you might return home and be successfully granted another “first year” visa down the line, that they will eventually stop granting you those, too.

      So, in the case of wanting to spend 5 months a year in Spain, you’d need to either enter as a tourist for 90 days, leave the Schengen zone for at least 90 days, return again for 90 days, then leave again for 90 days (thus maximizing the time you can spend in a year as a tourist), or at least one of the adults would need to acquire EU permanent residency/citizenship.

  10. Donna Masters Pacheco

    Hello, a couple of things. We bank at Fidelity and they do not have a stamp, but are able to provide a balance letter. Has anyone had experience with this sort of situation?

    Could yo;please forward the information on the translators to me? Thanks, Donna

  11. Andrew

    Hello! Did you happen to go to your fingerprint appointments BEFORE your cards expired? We were told you have to wait until after they expired to go to the 2nd appointment and get new cards?

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Our TIE renewal appointment was after the cards expired. That said, yes, as I understand it you have to apply for the new card after the first cards expire. There’s nothing major to worry about, though, as once your cards expire, you get 90 days to remain in the country as a tourist, which should be plenty to get your TIE appointment sorted out. If you need to explain this to anyone at any point, it is laid out in the Schengen Borders Code Article 6, Subsection 2:

      Periods of stay authorised under a residence permit or a long-stay visa shall not be taken into account in the calculation of the duration of stay on the territory of the Member States.

  12. Niloofar M Hubrich

    After 6+ weeks of waiting, finally got the result of our visa renewal….YAY I guess we stay another 2 years. THANK YOU so much for all the information. We will be in Grenada January 31st, my husband and I would love to take you and your lovely wife to dinner as a thank you. You can email me and let me know.
    Thank you again for everything. Words can not express how much we needed your site and all the information.
    Niloofar 🙂

  13. Ondina Canales

    Would someone be able to provide me more clarity on the the “efforts of integration”? Is this similar to the background report requirement for the initial application? What provinces actually require this versus not? Any experiences of renewal in Valencia? Trying to get understanding of the pitfalls in the renewal process.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Nobody outside of the Spanish government can give you absolutely clarity on this, but all provinces have some say in the processing of visa renewals, and it is quite likely that “efforts at integration” is in effect a mechanism by which the province can exert influence on your renewal chances if you have been a troublesome resident. Negative interactions with police, known associations with criminal elements, etc would all be things that I imagine might weigh into this- then again, anyone with negative police contacts probably shouldn’t be surprised if their visa wasn’t renewed.

      On the other hand, this isn’t a citizenship application and I haven’t specifically heard from anyone whose “integration” was called into question. If you have lived a trouble free life in Spain, there is zero reason to worry.

      1. Ondina Canales

        Hi again, Asking for additional clarification on the “integration” requirement. Would you get that also from your local Ayuntamiento along with your recent copy of your padron?

        Also, is there a listing of authorized translators? Or can we use the same one we used for our original visa application? My original translator was in Texas. TIA!

        1. The Vagabond Post author

          Hi Ondina,

          As mentioned above, there is no official paperwork to submit for proof of integration and you should t plan to send anything beyond the specific requirements unless asked. As I see it, this is a catch all of you have been, for example, in trouble with the law or troublesome to the local government in another way as a plausible way to deny you. If you haven’t been specifically asked to provide something special, ignore this point.

          You can use any translator sworn by the Spanish government. The list of approved translators is linked in my original Article about getting a non-lucrative visa. If you Texas-based translator was authorized to translate you original application, it’s very likely you can use them again, provided they have maintained their sworn status with the Spanish government.

        2. Ondina Canales

          Thank you for the quick response!

          Understood on the integration requirement and great news to hear about translators.

          Just confirming. Which required documents need translation?

          And is there anyone who has had experience with the renewal in Valencia? I’m wondering how much of an impact the public health crisis / state of alarm is having upon all visa processing across the nation. My preference would be to file everything electronically because honestly I do NOT want to go down to a government office anytime soon and put myself or my child at risk of contracting the virus. All that to say that if anyone has recommendations for lawyers to facilitate the process in Valencia, I would much appreciate info.

          Thank you!

          1. The Vagabond Post author

            Any document you are submitting (aside from your passport) which is not originally in Spanish needs translation. For most people, this will only be financial documents. Your insurer should be able to provide your proof of insurance in Spanish, if it’s a Spanish insurer.

            At the moment, all in-person procedures in all government offices are suspended, and most, if not all, filing deadlines are suspended. Renewals and extensions of visas may be submitted online or via post. Online submissions require a Cl@ve electronic identity. If you do not already have a Cl@ve login (which takes some time as they must first send you a PIN code at your address), it is likely to be more expeditious to just send your file via registered mail to your local extranjeria, as described in this post.

            As always, my advice is definitively against hiring a lawyer to submit your file, as all they will do is mail it in on your behalf. If you were able to successfully submit your initial nonlucrative visa application without paid help, then this process will be a breeze. However, if you don’t feel confident enough to assemble the right documents and want to pay for the peace of mind, it’s entirely up to you.

          2. Ondina M Canales

            Thanks The Vagabond! I saw your message just now with the link and I was actually on it when you messaged. I filed the “non Certificate” option. Will see what happens. Thank you!

  14. Christina

    Hello – Do you know if there is a specific time frame you have to return and PICK UP your new TIE cards? We have an appointment to have the “cards made”fingerprints, etc, on 3/12 but plan to go to travel around the EU (within in Schengen) for 6 weeks right after. Maybe longer. So was curious and couldn’t find anything specific online. Thanks!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Given it is a minimum of 30 days after the fingerprint appointment before you can pick up the cards, 6 weeks should be no problem. I wouldn’t let it go much beyond 60 days from the appointment, but there doesn’t seem to be any published maximum number of dates anywhere on the official Spanish sites for the TIE.

      Just be cautious about not running too far past your TIE expiration date without picking up your new one. Technically you become a tourist the day it expires and are subject to the number of days your nationality allows as a tourist, but that should be plenty of time to get back and get the new one.

  15. JULIA JAMES

    You’re right. The financial requirements are still the most confusing. I’ve read everything I can find on the subject, and I still don’t know what I need to have in savings to qualify for my visa renewal.

    Hypothetically, and for the sake of simplicity with the math, let’s say I’m receiving all my income from S.S. and a small pension from the U.S., and my annual income converts to 35,000€. Using the IPREM formula, how much money do I have to have in savings (in euros) at the time I apply for my renewal? It’s the notion of “income or savings” that’s throwing me. For the original visa, there were specific minimums each for income and savings.

    Thank you for all your help demystifying this process!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Hi Julia,

      Simply put, if you’re renewing based on a monthly income, it needs to be a steady income 400% of the monthly IPREM amount (just like the initial visa). If you’re renewing based on savings, it would be 400% of the monthly IPREM x 24 (number of months in the renewal period). As of right now in 2020 the single person IPREM is 537.84 EUR, so you’d need to show a monthly income of 2151.36 EUR (IPREM x 4) or a lump sum in savings of 51,632.64 EUR (IPREM x 4 x 24). If you have a spouse or dependents, add 537.84 per spouse/dependent for each month to your figures.

      It sounds to me like with a SS + Pension amount of about 2917 EUR per month, you are definitely safe for your renewal if you’re single or married.

      I hope this makes sense.

  16. SIERRA

    Wanting to have your passport reflect you have been in Spain for 183+ days, do you think it matters, for future renewals, if you fly in and out of the Schengen but upon return your passport is stamped in Paris, Lisbon, Berlin, etc….Basically, any country in the Schengen that is not Spain?

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      It shouldn’t matter. We often entered through countries other than Spain and never had an issue. In a pinch you could prove presence on appeal with bank records and credit card statements showing where your spending was.

  17. Debbie

    Has anyone had experience getting their renewal approved with providing only one or two months bank statements? If our renewal application is “in process” when the 90 days after expiration happens, do we need to leave the country? Thanks for the help!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      No experience with so few months of bank statements. They are generally explicitly asking for three months of statements at the consulates now so I would do everything I could to provide the same for the renewal, especially since it’s for twice the duration.

      If you haven’t completed your renewal within 90 days of the end of your visa, you have overstayed your visa and could be fined, not allowed to return to the country, or worse if you pass through a border. Technically when your TIE expires, you become a tourist the first day thereafter. Americans/Canadians can spend 90 consecutive days in the Schengen área, so that’s where the 90 day renewal “cushion” comes from. If you MUST pass that date, you need to at least have your renewal application in process, otherwise you will need to return to your home country and start over with an initial visa application.

      1. Niloofar

        know each location is different but we only gave a one page print out from Vangaurd stating the total amount in that brokerage account equal to what the requirement was for two people. Got our 2 year renewal and had our TIE renewal appointment today. We did have the statement translated although there was not much on it to translate.

      2. V M

        I have a question about the translation of bank statements. When I obtained my bank statement translation for my initial Non Lucrative Visa request, the translator translated each and every transaction on the page. Now that I am getting ready to apply for my renewal, I’d like to know if the translation needs to be as detailed for my bank statements, or if the “bottom line”, the total amount in the account is sufficient for the translator to document.
        Thanks

        1. The Vagabond Post author

          The summary page is sufficient for all financial documents, whether their purpose be an initial application or renewal. Hope your translator didn’t charge you by the page!

          1. V M

            As a matter of fact, she did. Thanks for the feedback. I’ll know better this time. 🙂

      3. Debbie

        To follow up…we hired Raphael Zimmerman to submit our NL visa renewal applications electronically. He’s great and very responsive with answers to questions. We used a bank summary page of one month to show our account balance. Our documents were submitted April 1 and we found out yesterday we were approved (a little over 14 weeks). Just wanted to let folks know how long the process was for us in case you’re awaiting your renewal approval. Thank you again Frugal Vagabond!

    2. CHRIS

      We used the above mentioned attorney, Raphael Zimmerman, and he just had us submit a one page document as well reflecting a total number from all accounts (same bank) He also said we did not have to translate them. Which was odd to us but we went with it. He said they see an American passport and that’s “good enough” . It really did just have numbers. So….
      He submits applications out of Barcelona so we are hoping all applies the same for our office in Granada! We are just over 8 WEEKS since submitting! Ugh! Has anyone else been waiting this long in Granada?

      1. The Vagabond Post author

        Exactly five weeks for us from packet arrival in the office to approval. Have you been tracking your application using the online site? Your NIE and the date your file was logged as arriving in the extranjeria will allow you to pull up the status. In Granada we found that our renewal was approved and we never received a letter, even after going in and applying for our new TIEs. We just went in with the status printout and they disappeared into the back and printed out the approval letters for us.

        As an aside to those reading later, I really advise against spending your money on a representative for the renewal process unless your file is extraordinary or unusual in some way. If things don’t go your way, there is an appeals process and this would be the time to hire a lawyer.

        1. CHRIS

          Your approval in 5 weeks was when exactly? Curious if the time of year etc matters.
          Yes we have been tracking our status online and it still says “IN PROCESS”.
          I want to make sure I understand you, did you go into the office with your status saying ” APPROVED” (with no formal letter) OR “IN PROCESS”?
          We scheduled our fingerprint & new TIE card appointments when we submitted our renewal app on January 10th so that we would have it and could renew it as soon as our original expired. Thinking the approval would be back by now. SO the appointments are this Thursday. Your thoughts?
          I would ASSUME by now if there were any issues they would of reached out by now? Sigh.

          Side note – we opted to use the attorney because it was worth the $100 to have him submit it for us and not go through any type of mailing /Correros hassle you went through. We are in a small town outside of Granada and I know they whole process would of sucked my will to live. True not for everyone and you definitely can do it on your own. We did our initial application/visa on our own and it is obviously more extensive.

          1. The Vagabond Post author

            We renewed at this time a year ago. Time of year matters, but it will fluctuate from year to year too. This year the system is extremely bogged down by Brexit. Hundreds of thousands of Brits (Spain has the most British expats) are attempting to acquire permanent residency before the transition period ends.

            We only went in once our status changed to Resuelto- Favorable. Going in with an In Process status won’t get you anywhere unfortunately. You’ve got to get at least to the approval online before you can renew. Barring a change of status in the next 36 hours you will probably have to reschedule.

            With that said, you get up to 90 days after your TIE/visa expires to get everything sorted out. After expiration you become a “tourist” and have your 90 days as a tourist. Once the renewal comes it will be backdated to the expiration date of your previous TIE.

          2. Niloofar

            Our approval came the day our card expired, 6 1/2 weeks after we submitted everything. This was just 2 months ago.

          3. CHRIS

            I understand. Thank you for your replies. Very helpful! We were thinking we were going to have to reschedule but were perplexed with the 8 weeks. But the backlog makes total sense.
            Last question – the approval letter, does that come via mail or email (if and when it comes)?
            Thanks again for all your continued help!

          4. The Vagabond Post author

            In theory it comes via mail. We never received one even after all this time later! So better to stay on top of the online status. They can definitely print a copy of the letter at the extranjeria.

          5. CHRIS

            Understood. Thank you again for your continued help. We have used your site from our initial process and it continues to be extremely helpful.
            I will post our resolution, total approval duration etc… When it happens!

  18. Niloofar

    I know each location is different but we only gave a one page print out from Vangaurd stating the total amount in that brokerage account equal to what the requirement was for two people. Got our 2 year renewal and had our TIE renewal appointment today. We did have the statement translated although there was not much on it to translate.

    1. Debbie

      Thank you so much for this information. That’s similar to what I will provide for proof of funds. I’m curious, which city in Spain did you renew?

  19. Boom

    This is a great post. Thanks for shedding some light into that matter ! I see now you can submit your application online. Not as good as personally, not as bad as per post, and maybe the only alternative these days.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      It’s not totally clear if the electronic submission will continue past the COVID-19 crisis, but I hope it does. It also requires that you have the e-certificate/cl@ve. We were never successful in getting one, though we tried. The PIN number to create an account never arrived in the mail despite multiple requests to get it.

      1. Ondina Canales

        Thank you for the earlier information, The Vagabond! For the cl@ve registration process, is there a recommended browser to use? I have tried Chrome and Microsoft Edge and am having no luck. I click on the Register tab and select the option to register with electronic certificate and the selection takes me nowhere. In fact, none of the selections work. I do not know what I am doing wrong! I can’t imagine there is much user traffic that’s causing this. Thanks for any advice.

        1. The Vagabond Post author

          Hi Ondina,

          I took a look and while you did pick the wrong option (the electronic certificate is something different, that’s a type of certificate issued to citizens for government proceedings) the correct option (register without certificate) is closed due to the pandemic as stated at the top of this page.

          So, it appears that your options are to submit via the mail, which is less stressful than it sounds and if you are organized should go just fine, or wait until the crisis ends and see if your province will allow in-person appointments for renewals. If, like Granada, they stopped doing in-person renewal appointments in the past couple of years, you’ll end up having to mail your renewal package in anyway.

  20. Mike

    Any idea on how the COVID-19 IS effecting the offices, specifically in Granada? We are still awaiting our approval, now at 10 weeks. Just curious if anyone has any insight? Thanks!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Here’s the little I know: All face-to-face government appointments have been suspended across the country. The good news is that you got your application in some time ago, your renewal will still eventually be processed. The bad news is that the emergency declaration suspends all government commitments to processing times for official matters. A decision will come, but it may not be within the normal 90 day commitment, and getting the TIE renewed will end up waiting until they resume face-to-face appointments. In the meantime, don’t leave Spain (not that it would be easy to do so anyway). If your renewal letter comes, carry it with your expired TIEs at all times until you can get a new one issued.

      1. Mike

        Thanks for the response. That was pretty much our thinking.

        We actually have some friends also waiting on their approval that went to Berlin for a couple months before the VIVID 19 really hit and borders were locked down for both Spain and Germany. They are hoping their approvals come after the travel bans are lifted so they can return. I believe they are officially expired now. Kind of a tricky situation.

        Thanks for your continued insight.

  21. Tom

    Thanks for the insights. I’m ready to start my non-lucrative VISA renewal.
    But I do have only one question. Do I need to fill form EX-17?

    Before I open some sights, in the few lines describing what is found
    in the site, I read that ăn ẼX-17 needs to be filled. Bút after I open
    the site, ít is not in the list of forms to be filled.

    So, to fill or not to fill?

    Thanking you in advance,
    Tóm

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      The EX-17 is a Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero (TIE) application, not a visa renewal application. For the visa renewal it is not required. Once your visa is renewed you will need to get a new TIE, and then the process is the same as the first time and requires an EX-17.

  22. TCH

    Hello! I planned to start the process to renew at the beginning of March, about the time the country was put on lock down. My first year visa expires end of May. I do not have the ability to print anything out at home (in Alicante) and obviously can’t go out to do so. Has anyone seen anything on websites or articles that they can refer me to for guidance on how proceed? I have read different things about certain types of Spanish governmental requirements/deadlines being extended six months, but they don’t seem to apply to this. Obviously (again), I will not be going anyway in the near future, but had all kinds of travel plans outside of Spain disrupted March – May and hope to reschedule them as soon as I am able. I saw above where it was suggested that I not leave Spain, if my visa is expired. Not only may I expire, but I also may not have even been able to submit the paperwork for another year. Anyone else in this situation, with more information or any thoughts or resources to review would be greatly appreciated.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      The advice given to a person above not to leave Spain pertained only to their situation, where they were simply waiting for the decision on their renewal. It doesn’t apply universally to anyone who hasn’t renewed yet.

      In your case, I would call your local extranjeria immediately. While face-to-face meetings have been suspended at the moment, essential government services are still operating at a reduced capacity. Call and ask how they want you to proceed. It’s especially important to contact the local extranjeria because paperwork requirements vary from place to place.

      1. TCH

        Thanks! My biggest problem is I don’t speak Spanish, so have had people go with me when necessary to appointments. I’ll try a three-way call and see if that works. Appreciate the response.

  23. Jennifer Wasserstein

    We are about to start our renewal process and I don’t think I ever thanked you! Your website completely got us through the initial non-lucrative visa process. It was smooth and successful and we truly have your instructions to thank for it. Thank you!!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      You are very welcome, Jennifer! I wish you the best of luck in your renewal process, especially given the unique challenges of doing so in the coming months!

      1. Debbie

        I second Jennifer’s comment. Your instructions single-handedly guided me through the initial and renewal visa process. I’m currently awaiting my renewal approval. Thank you Frugal Vagabond!

  24. Martha

    Hello,

    So I am living in Barcelona currently and my visa expires June 24th, I wasn’t worried a few weeks ago being optimistic about the situation thinking surely things would be open by then. Now I am not sure how to proceed, I highly doubt things will be resolved by then.

    I was thinking of contacting the lawyer which was referenced earlier in this thread to just get all the paperwork sorted just incase. But if there is no way to obtain an appointment anytime soon i figured whats the point.

    Does anyone have any information if visas will be extended or what their local extranjeria said? My spanish is ok, but not strong enough to make a call like this and effectively communicate my situation.

    Thank you!

    1. Martha

      Just a follow up that might be helpful. I went through the lawyer here in Barcelona that was referred above, Zimmer Abogados. Basically navigated the same process that was detailed in this blog (for a fee of course, but was worth saving the headache). Just sent him all the information and they sent out everything. Fortunately did not need to translate my bank details in Spanish and they accepted my most recent bank statement from wells fargo. Took less than a week, and got the resolution in less than 5 days that my visa has been approved for another 2 years.

      Unfortunately the office to finalize this formality into a card and take my fingerprints is still closed and no appointments are open. The lawyer informed me if I need to travel back to the states I can request in the police a document called “autorización de regreso”. Which will allow me to enter in Spain again without card if I still don’t have it in the next few months. Thank you again to this blog and everyone sharing their experience! Hoping for better times here in Spain in the future.

  25. Robin Renteria

    Today’s online Barcelona Metropolitan has an article about folks who need to renew visas now. It might serve you.

  26. Megan

    Hi. You mentioned needing to file taxes in Spain. Did you do this online? I’m having a hard time finding information on how to file. Thanks so much

  27. Michael

    First, I’ve been lax in writing to thank you for your guide and posts. I followed your advice to a tee and it was the reason I was able to get my non-lucrative visa approval for myself and family, from the moment I started to compile my documents, in just a few quick months. My question for renewal is this: Does the medical insurance plan I purchase/renew need to have no co-payments? For my initial policy I got one without co-pays but I can’t find any info (including the actual Spanish law) that indicates I need to have a policy with no co-payments. Thank you!

  28. Gladiz Cortes

    Hello everyone,

    Hope everyone is staying healthy and safe here in Spain! In these crazy times just wanted to see if anyone knew if visa renewals are still happening in the next couple of months? My visa expires in December but just want to make sure I renew once things are open again in case there is a shut down again in the Fall. With that said, was wondering if anyone has heard anything about this? Really appreciate any help!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      And sorry, I see that I didn’t quite address your situation as you aren’t expired and won’t be until December. You won’t be able to start your renewal process until a couple months before your expiration, and if we are in a lockdown again by then, I would expect a similar extension to the above. They’ll provide adequate window after the fact to get your renewal done.

  29. Cindy Bond

    Does anyone know what’s happened to the online visa appointment scheduler for the Spanish consulate in Boston? I know the consulates are closed right now but that particular page seems to be completely broken. I can’t find a different link to a appointment scheduler on the consulate web page. Thanks!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      They aren’t accepting visa appointments at any consulates in the US right now, as they aren’t processing any visas for at least the next several months. From what we’ve heard they *might* start accepting appointments again in a few months, but that likely depends greatly on how the US handles the pandemic going forward. I suspect any appointment scheduler brokenness is related to that.

  30. Cindy Bond

    That makes sense. We were hoping to spend the upcoming school year in Madrid but of course have shelved that idea for now. Thank you for your response!

      1. Cindy

        Well, we have been granted a visa appointment at the Boston consulate in late August! I am thinking that we might be allowed entry to Spain because we will have been approved for a NLR visa — as opposed to being tourists. Do you think that’s correct? Thanks!

        1. Donna Masters

          Correct. I have confirmed that with both the consulate and my attorney in Barcelona.
          Based on that information we are picking up our Visa next week and plan to travel to Spain in early August.

          1. Cindy Bond

            Donna — would you mind popping back on here to tell us what life is like in Spain when you arrive? Museums open? Restaurants open? It’s hard to imagine from way over here in Vermont! Thank you.

          2. The Vagabond Post author

            There are many of us who have been living in Spain for years who might be decent sources of this info, too 😉

            Restaurants and museums are open nationwide, albeit at reduced capacity to enforce social distancing, and with new hygiene protocols. This doesn’t include the parts of Catalonia that have recently returned to a limited lockdown due to a resurgence in cases.

            It is likely that most of Spain will experience one or more additional periods of lockdown in the months and/or years to come. This is the sensible response in the face of outbreaks. It is possible- and even probable- that these lockdowns will affect education as well. Our own daughter is set to start school in the fall but we are prepared to be told that the school will open only a few days a week, later in the year, or not at all. Nobody can reasonably tell you with any degree of certainty what will happen a week or a month from now, though I would suggest that those of us who experienced the whole pandemic in Spain probably have a better general capacity to predict than newcomers.

            One thing is for certain: even in a best case scenario, there will be adaptations and restrictions to public life for the foreseeable future… and the best case scenario doesn’t seem like the most likely outcome by a long shot. I would be prepared for at least some form of stay at home, distance learning, and restriction at all times in the next few years.

  31. GR Wilson

    Sorry if this is redundant but, my wife and son need to renew their non lucrative visas in Madrid. There are multiple extranjeria offices in Madrid. Can they just choose one and send their packets? Or is there a way to find the specific office?

    Also, to clarify, there is no longer a way to get the electronic browser security certificate to do this all online? So mailing is the only option, correct?

    Thanks for the helpful website with such fantastic information especially at a time like this that makes navigating the bureaucracy so complex.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Although it is probable that you should submit your renewal to the extranjeria where you did your TIE appointment, call to be sure. Extranjerias are all opening all over the country. Here in Granada they reopened this week, coinciding with Phase 3. In Madrid that should mean that you will be able to find someone for sure in the next week. For all I know in Madrid they may even allow an in-person renewal appointment, but at the very least they’ll be able to tell you where to submit your paperwork.

      Also bear in mind that all the visas have been extended by six months if they expired during the state of alarm.

      You can request a cl@ve and try to do the process online, but with the expiration of the state of alarm looming, that is likely coming to an end and will return to normal processes. You’re unlikely to have a cl@ve in time to do anything online, and their site isn’t the easiest to decipher. I had to pull apart the page source code just to get to the registration page.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Are you referring to a Nonlucrative visa? The NL visa is actually a temporary visa in the terminology of the Spanish government rather than a long term one.

      In theory you would want to perform a SOLICITUD DE AUTORIZACIÓNES under the extranjeria options, but the following screen states that they are only making appointments for five situations that don’t apply to NL visas. You will need to give the extranjeria a call and ask how they want you to renew. It’s probable that you will need to send your renewal application via mail, which is what’s described in this post.

  32. Mark Rozen

    Hi. Our 1st year residency expires on 30-OCT-2020. We need to travel back to Australia from mid OCT till end of November. Do we need to renew our residency before departure or December will be alright? I was thinking to have appointment scheduled before we leave, but not sure if expired residency card would be an issue crossing border in Spain airport. We will fly via Helsinki.
    Thank you.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      According to the Schengen Borders Code, days spent within Europe on a residence visa do not count towards your “tourist” days, aka the 90 out of each 180 days you can spend in Europe as a tourist. Thus, when your permiso expires, you become a tourist starting the next day and have 90 days before you have overstayed. So, you could theoretically stay in Europe 90 days after October 30 (or later, since in your case you’d be out of the Schengen Zone for a number of those days).

      With all of that said, renewals can take a while in the best of circumstances, let alone during a pandemic that coincides with millions of Brits needing to transition to a new residence permit type overloading the system. If it were me, I would do everything I could to at least submit my file before leaving for Australia. Then if the decision isn’t in yet, you can come back as a “tourist” and stay put until you get the result. Also consider what might happen if your permits are in a state of expiration and a new travel ban/lockdown is issued. You may find yourself on the outside looking in if you are technically a tourist, however briefly.

      1. Mark Rozen

        Thank you. We will fly via HKG-Helsinki and I am not sure if we come through non-Schengen zone into Schengen in HEL airport for Spanish flight if they would check our passports.

  33. Mark Rozen

    Thanks. I also found that Autorización de regreso EX-13 could be better option. I asked my lawyer last night.

  34. Roberta Raine

    Hello Vagabond,
    I’m working on my NL visa renewal (living in Granada, Albaicin) and wanted to ask if you have any recommendations on translating a few pages of bank statements for my renewal. I’ve got everything else ready to go and wanted to ask if I can use any translator here in Granada. I remember that we had to use an approved translator for the initial visa application.

    Thanks for all your great work!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Hi Roberta, you do indeed have to use a sworn translator again. I had a really nice experience with Ana Fernandez Ramos (ana.fernandezramos@yahoo.com). She was prompt and really affordable too. Very nice person. If you need any help on Granada specifics let me know.

  35. Roberta

    Thank you again so very much for all your work on our behalf! I very much appreciate your fine attention to detail.

  36. Trevor

    Super helpful, thanks! My wife and I submitted our NL visa renewal online a couple weeks ago and it’s in En Tramite – anyone have any recent luck?

    Does anyone know if the cita previa appointment for the TIE opens up only when the visa is approved? Trying to get ahead of it since there are very limited in-person appointments.

    Hopefully the EX13 everyone’s talking about has been working out well!

    Quedan seguros!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      A couple weeks might be expecting a bit much. Our renewal in a not-that-busy province took six weeks, and that was before the system was slammed by the end of Brexit requiring all British citizens to switch to TIE cards, and a pandemic deferring months of renewals. Odds are you still have at least a few weeks of waiting (though of course I hope it comes through quicker for you!).

      You can make a TIE cita previa at any time, theoretically. It’s most likely that the system in your province has changed or been disabled since all the Brits are rushing to get TIEs now before the end of the year and have swamped the system. You should probably call your extranjeria, either now or when your approval comes through, to see what they expect you to do. It will vary from office to office.

        1. The Vagabond Post author

          I’ve done it. Nothing to it. Fill out the form, pay the tasa (M790 C012 as normal), and get a cita at the extranjeria. All people requesting a Permiso de Regreso must be physically present, with their permisos de residencia and passports, at both the appointment and subsequent pickup. As usual, each person needs a form and a tasa individually. Note that Granada province would not issue a regreso until the TIE had expired.

          You will need to show proof of your travel dates as well. If I remember correctly, they set it to expire a day or two after our return date, so your window is narrow. The permiso itself is just a sheet of stamped paper with your name, passport, and NIE on it. Warning: It is only technically valid at entry to airports in Spain. If you enter the Schengen Area anywhere else, you run a risk of being turned back, especially in the time of Coronavirus.

          1. Trevor

            Super helpful as always, thank you!

            The cita for the regreso must be just as hard to get as any other cita previa given all of the visa repercussions from Brexit you talked about earlier.

            If there are any other NL visa folks that want to grab socially distanced drinks (maybe after this round of restrictions eases up), we’re in Barcelona and always down to commiserate about this fun process.

  37. Veronika

    Hello. Thanks for the great work you do. I submitted my nl visa renewal on 28/04/2020 and received a postive outcome the very next day via a lawyer as i was locked down in another EU country. My initial TIE expired on 27/06/2020 so I applied 60 days earlier for renewal. I finally only managed to get an appointment to have my fingerprints taken on Thursday 30th july. I saw you said one has 30 days after approval to apply for a new TIE card. Is that a must especially with this Covid situation that has and currently is still going on? I know about the 6 month extension just wonder if i wont have issues with applying for the card months after the renewal was approved.

    Thanks in advance.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Hi Veronika,

      I think the unusual situation of the world will afford you some slack. I would be prepared to show that you were stuck quarantining elsewhere, but I doubt you’ll need to prove it. Most likely they’ll just process it and possibly ask a question or two. Let us know how it goes!

  38. Ondina M Canales

    Hi again! I wanted to circle back on the proof of financial means for 2 yrs. A lawyer in spain is confusing me. He’s told us this: Certificado de saldos de España, y extracto de tus cuentas desde su apertura ( no valen los bajados de internet, te los tienen que hacer en el banco sellados y firmados).

    I don’t understand why we would need to prove salaries in Spain. I thought the point was that we could NOT work in Spain. And, as for our statements, we have our most recent statements from our US accounts that are currently being translated by a sworn translator. I did not think anything needed to be done in excess of that. Any clarity would be much appreciated. Thank you!

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Hi Ondina,

      You absolutely do not have to prove salaries in Spain, nor (obviously) should you even have them. The exact same accounts that you used for the initial visa application are 100% fine. Provide three months of (the first page of) statements from your US accounts, translated by a sworn translator, as you are. They should show a running balance in excess of (Annual IPREM * 4 * 2) for you, plus (Annual IPREM * 2) for each additional member of your family. This is absolutely the correct and adequate proof of financial means.

      If your lawyer fights you on this, they are more likely to ruin your renewal than help you to get it.

    2. Ondina M Canales

      Thanks!! I thought I was going out of my mind. Good to know i’m good on this one at least. Many thanks.

      1. Debbie McMahon

        Hi Ondina –
        We provided one month of a Wells Fargo bank statement (in Spanish) and were approved. We submitted online April 1 and received approval mid-July. I hope this helps!

  39. Gabe Wilson

    Any recommendations for trustworthy lawyers in Madrid to handle non-luc-visa renewal? We submitted ours via mail to the office listed on the Spanish Gov’t website but after 2 weeks when we check electronically for status, we get no results so figure time to use a lawyer.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      No recommendations for a lawyer (if you’ve read the comments you’ll know I don’t generally advise them), but did you use a form of mail with tracking when submitting your file? If yes, have you tried various arrival dates when attempting to track status on your renewal? Have you called the extranjeria to follow up?

  40. Gabe Wilson

    Yes – I appreciate your suggestions – including that there is little benefit of using a lawyer – and passed them to my wife (who along with my son are on the non-luc-res-visas). She’s getting antsy as her expiration date is getting closer and my son starts school again in Madrid in September.

    She sent it via Correos trackable – and verified that it arrived on a specific date.

    We’ll try entering more arrival dates.

    Thank you.

    1. The Vagabond Post author

      Yes, definitely try other dates. As mentioned above in the post, at first I was able to track by arrival date, but eventually that changed to the date that they actually entered it into the system. But if you can’t find it using alternate dates, first thing’s first before hiring anyone: Call the extranjeria.

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